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Josh’s 2009 Yamaha Raider Leaner Sidecar Project

Hello, I have a 2009 Yamaha Raider that I have been looking at trying to add a side car to.

I’m primarily interested in a Leaner but have found Very little info other than what’s on your website.

I’ve posted on a few forums looking for info but most everyone just pushed towards a used rigid Rig.

I’m curious if a leaner would be a good fit for the Raider as most bikes I’ve found are sport touring or standard.

The bike has low ground clearance. Pretty sure I would need to change my exhaust.

Would the Rake on this bike cause an issue?

It handles surprisingly well.

The purpose of the side car is to be able to run my 2 kids around locally.

Would a tandem car for 2 kids under 7 be too heavy.

Speaking of which what’s the max weight desired for a car of this type.

If I were to add a leaner I will probably hire out the subframe and car frame.

I would like to build a custom body myself. Thank you, Josh

I’m primarily interested in a Leaner but have found Very little info other than what’s on your website


Hi Josh,

Thank you for contacting Haul N Ride and how exciting you have chosen the safer Leaner option rather than a Rigid Hack. Bikes are designed to lean and a Leaner Combination will allow you to keep your factory telescopic forks (rather than a Leading Link modification)

The bike has low ground clearance


I think the ground clearance on your chosen model will not be an issue and I will explain below…

Edwards who owns an Armec Leaner has shared his clearance measurement of the Rear Mount to be 6.75 inches from the ground to the centre bolt.

His front mount is 10 inches from the ground to the centre bolt. Follow the link to see more details…

Leaner Sidecar Combination – Bike Leans and Sidecar Doesn’t

My FJ1200 Rigid Hack has a ground clearance of 4″ from the ground to the rusty exhaust pipes (the sidecar attachment sub-chassis is higher than the exhaust).

 

FJ1200 Ground Clearance

My FJ1200 weighs 261 kg (576 pounds) Wet (Kerb) Weight. The sidecar weighs 160 kg (352 pounds). It carries an electric wheelchair of 110 kg (242 pounds). My daughter weighs 60 kg (132 pounds). I weigh 80 kg (176 pounds).

Passenger and Sidecar Weight: 330 kg (727 pounds)

Rider and Bike Weight: 341 kg (751 pounds)

Total Combined Weight: 1478 kg (3258 pounds)

If I go over a speed hump or kerb that is a little high, my exhaust scrapes. However, most speed humps are not an issue.

The following link you will see my FJ1200 project, scroll down past the Yamy XS 750 to the FJ1200 build:

 

Shanniah’s Story – From Hiring to Building a Wheelchair Accessible Sidecar

According to this website https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-Yamaha-RaiderS-XV1900S

the 2009 Yamaha Raider ground clearance is 146 mm (5.7″)

The Armec Sidewinder is 6.75″ and my exhaust is 4″ so if your Raider clearance is as mentioned above, it seems you will have enough clearance (providing you don’t make a habit of riding kerbs).

Take a look at the low clearance on Paul’s Kawasaki ZZR600 Leaner and notice the raising of the attachment from the bike to the sidecar.

Paul’s Ground Clearance is 145 mm (5.7″), so he seems to have the same clearance as you, see full details of his bike following the link below…

Paul’s Kawasaki ZZR600 Leaner Sidecar Project – Haul N Ride

Pretty sure I would need to change my exhaust


In regards to your exhaust pipes being in the way!

You must live in a country that has the right mount sidecar and therefore the exhaust will be in a location that may cause issues.

The front mount will be fine as it needs to be higher to enable sidecar steering, and it will mount in front of the motor.

2009 Yamaha Raider Leaner Sidecar Attachment

The 2009 Raider factory exhaust pipes seem to raise slightly at the rear and so it appears you could sneak an attachment just forward of the rear wheel.

The Rear Mount Bar from the Sidecar Sub Chassis may need to be slightly bent at the bike attachment to allow for exhaust clearance when leaning toward the tub.

This would reduce ground clearance, however, unless you make modification to your exhaust, there may be no other option except a Rigid Hack Combination.

2009 Yamaha Raider Leaner Sidecar Attachment

I’ve posted on a few forums looking for info but most everyone just pushed towards a used rigid Rig


I don’t know which forums you posted on, but if you visit the following forum Ralph Kalich speaks English and so do most other members and they are amazing at answering any technical questions you may have.

http://schwenker-gespanne.de/forum/index.php

I also encourage you to use Google Translate to browse Ralph’s website:

http://kalich.de/Schwenker/schwenker.html

Would the Rake on this bike cause an issue? It handles surprisingly well


Here is an extract regarding 2009 Yamaha Raider Rake:

Important Note: Raked out front fork with lots of trail generally provides good straight line stability but often provide heavy steering. The engineers at Yamaha will not sacrifice handling for styling, so they have developed a 6 degree yoke offset angle combined with a 34 degree steering head for a total fork angle of 40 degrees. The Raider provides light “athletic handling and easy steering” not commonly found on a custom styled bike. This bike was designed to be ridden !! Key numbers: 6 degree yoke offset angle; 34 degree caster angle; 102mm of trail. https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-Yamaha-RaiderS-XV1900S

So personally, I believe because you have chosen a Leaner Combination and will retain Factory Forks, your bike should be an excellent fit and provide great handling and steering.

Would a tandem car for 2 kids under 7 be too heavy. Speaking of which what’s the max weight desired for a car of this type


I don’t think weight will be an issue in your case. Assuming your bike weighs 730 pounds (331 kg) and my FJ1200 weighs 261 kg (576 pounds) and you read above how much I carry as a Rigid Hack, you will have more stability and weight to sidecar ratio than I have.

This of course all depends on how heavy your tub will be. Aluminium (aluminum) frame? Aluminium wrapped? Fibreglass/steel frame?

Assuming you chose a heavy steel frame/fibreglass body like my sidecar 160 kg (352 pounds) and two passengers 140 kg (308 pounds) = 300 kg (661 pounds).

 

My bike to sidecar weight ratio is almost equal:

Passenger and Sidecar Weight: 330 kg (727 pounds)

Rider and Bike Weight: 341 kg (751 pounds)

If you personally weigh the same as me 176 pounds (80 kg):

Passenger and Sidecar Weight: 300 kg (661 pounds)

Rider and Bike Weight: 411 kg (906 pounds)

Then you have over 100 kg (220 pounds) in your favor (favour).

Not only that, I have to Push/Pull the weight of the sidecar as a hack. Whereas you can effortlessly counter steer your sidecar. And with the front mount higher than the rear, your sidecar wheel will not be scrubbing as is the case with mine. The motorcycle lean will steer your car with you.

Regarding two passengers, I think this may cause obstacles with your State Licencing Department and it may be easier to obtain modification approval with a single passenger. Of course that depends on your country and the laws that apply. A Tandem Tub will be larger and heavier than a single.

Also a Tandem Tub will naturally be longer. This may cause issues with the motorcycle handlebars hitting the tub when leaning toward the tub. This is why Kalich use BMW’s as they are a much taller bike.

If I were to add a leaner I will probably hire out the subframe and car frame


Now you do want to make things difficult. To obtain a Modification Approval to have your combination passed for use on the road will be difficult for your own use.

But to Hire/Rent/Loan it out to the public, you will have to consider Public Liability Insurance, and it may be difficult to locate an insurer willing to insure a high risk (relatively unknown style of vehicle) combination.

Another thing to consider is that a tub that is removable from the bike will have no sidecar brake. If you chose to Not hire out the tub, you can plumb in a disc brake to your motorcycle rear brake cylinder as I have on my combination.

My Recommendation


  • Make the Tub (whether Tandem or Single) as light and as Low to the ground as possible to allow motorcycle handlebar clearance

  • To reduce the width of the combination (wider when leaning away from the sidecar) use a motorcycle wheel rather than a car wheel

  • Select a tire (tyre) that has a lower speed rating and a higher weight rating

  • Use a Pump Up Air Shock Absorber so you can adjust the sidecar to suit empty or laden (passengers)

  • Join the Schwenker Gespanne Forum and let them know what you plan. You will be amazed how friendly and helpful they are

  • Most Important of all: Take photos during your build (whether rigid or hack) to share your story with Haul N Ride. Email the photos and explanations to me so I can share below

Good luck and please let us know how you go!

Ride Safe

Dave

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