2011 Triumph Rocket
Make/Model and Details of Sidecar Tub – Fibreglass, Aluminum (aluminium) Wrapped, Steel Sheet Wrapped etc
1975 Spirit Eagle Fibreglass Side Car
Sidecar Tub Design – Tandem/Single
Sidecar Frame Type and Measurements – (Square/Round Tubing, Aluminium/Steel)
Round Steel Tubing
Tow in/out Measurements
Toe in-out measurements are all the same both loaded and unloaded. I strapped a pipe to the outside of the side car wheel and then measured from the bike wheel (held upright) to the center of the pipe. In all cases I got 56-1/2″ at the front and 56″ at the rear… considering error, that’s about perfectly aligned. A fuzz toe-out should be more stable, and this rig is indeed (90mph on the highway with ease and solid).
Rear Mount Ground Clearance Measurement
Height of the rear pivot off the ground is 3-1/2″
Front Mount Ground Clearance Measurement
Height of the front pivot off the ground is 7″
Motorcycle Sub-chassis Details (Square/Round Steel Tubing, Aluminum etc) and Attachment to Motorcycle (High Tensile steel, lock nuts etc)
Distance between pivots
Distance between pivots is 22-1/2″
Total Width of Combination
The CL-CL measurement of the cab of the car to the CL of the bike is 37″
the Overall width of the rig upright is 72″
Total Width of Combination Lean-out
The max width of the rig leaned over to the left is 86″…. that’s a hard measurement.
Distance Between Sidecar and Bike
The amount I extended the side car frame away from the bike, measured to the CL of the pivot is 17-1/2″.
Sidecar Tire (tyre) Speed, Weight Rating
Sidecar Rim Details, Diameter, Rim Width etc
Suspension Type (Shock Absorber/Swing arm/Torsion) on Sidecar Wheel
Swing Arm Coilover Spring Shock Absorber
Pivot Attachment to Motorcycle, (Rose Bush, Heim Joint, Rod End etc)
Heim Joint Rod Ends
Sidecar Brake Details (if fitted), Drum/Disc, Plumbed to Motorcycle Rear or Front Brake Cylinder
Modifications/Adjustments During the Build
Photos of the End Product
I wonder who is enjoying the ride more?
What an amazing build.
Most leaners have the pivot mounts on the bikes centreline, your’s however appears to be off set toward the sidecar.
Perhaps you could write something for your page, to explain why you chose this, how it rides, whether this causes issues or performs well.
Anyway, amazing job and I can’t wait for some measurements, tube size, extra details etc. Have an amazing day. Dave
Hi Dave, yes I figured the non central line installation would raise an eyebrow.
But, from an engineering standpoint, if you follow the force vectors that apply from the sidecar to the motorcycle, the slight offset is relatively insignificant.
The majority of load is a huge moment/twist that pushes the rear tire to the left and pulls the front wheel to the right. That would be true for any sidecar. The real issue is the amount of lean that the Pivot Point has, so the lower the pivot points are to the ground, the better. I offset the front pivot mount further outboard than the rear pivot mount.
I don’t think that is a significant issue, though it does tend, theoretically, to toe in as the sidecar moves up and down over bumps, independent of the bike. I found no problems driving it.
I think the bigger concern is the frame and the attachment points, and whether the frame can handle the load. So it is more important to find the best way to transfer the load to the frame in the bike then it is to worry about getting in the Centerline of the bike.
Again remember the primary load is the big dead weight hanging off the right hand side of the bike: doesn’t matter where you attach it, the force vectors are the same. So I’ll be happy to draw up some diagrams about what I did.
I think the biggest issue I’m having with this ride is that the sidecar is designed for a much smaller bike and in order for me to connect it, I had to have the sidecar wheel further in front of the rear wheel than is optimal. That translates to more side load on the front wheel, especially when going slow with a load. I bet I could not resolve the geometry on the frame without significant modifications, which I did not want to do. But that is what you get with a 40 year old sidecar.
I know that’s a lot of explanation and I’ll be happy to type it up in a more cohesive fashion later. Thought you would like to hear my ramblings.
Also, really cool project page! Thank you so much. John
Update: In response to a question in the comments below, John has requested I insert his reply here (due to the length of the reply). I will paste it exactly as I received it.
Response to the question about how to make the mounting bracket for a “leaner” sidecar mount on a Triumph rocket:
To the question about exact measurements for the bracket, I’ll try to get measurements when I get back to Vegas…. The bike has been buried in the garage because of the Vegas heat (117). But, I’d say that the system is custom made and takes some in-place welding to fabricate…. If you’re not a welder, you’ll need to find someone who can do custom work and will work with you… find someone welding out of their garage… there are lots of them out there.
I decided to mount the Heim joints to tabs welded to the case guard since that is a robust piece attached to the frame/engine both front and back.. therefore the loads from the side car travel to proper stress points… plus, the case guard is low on the bike and made for decent leaner mounts.
Here’s a picture of the case guard with the tabs welded to it…. The tabs are 3/16” steel plate custom formed. It is important that the bottom edge be straight and level with the bar so that the tabs become the baseline for the rest of the build. In this picture is the front tab for the front heim joint (has the big hole in it), which will connect to the tab in future pictures.
Here are several pictures of the finished product. Carefully look over all the reinforcing I did and how I brought the load to the bolts… what needs to be accounted for is the very large side loads on the mounts, therefore the mounts must be braced both linearly, and perpendicularly… I tied the front mounting tab and the rear mounting tab with a large steel bar (it’s actually a steel concrete form stake I got from Home Depot.. actually the two plates with the 5/8” holes in them for the Heim joints are concrete anchor bolt plates from home depot, they are raw and come with 5/8” holes in them already.. perfect for welding).
Note I had to add spacers to move the heim joints away from the plates a bit… those are just tacked on in a couple spots. They are held by the bolt holding the heim joint.
Finally, I braced the rear mount to the opposite side of the bike frame with this bracket here (which I welded in-place to get it exactly right).
In the following picture you can see this support bracket coming out the back.
Thank you so much John for sharing such detailed information in reply to Keswani’s questions. You Rock! 🙂
Took the boy out for a long ride today (he’s 21)… super smooth, he was very comfortable.
One could easily tour with this rig, though in town, at slow speeds and a load in the car, it’s a handful…much better at speed… but that’s nothing new.
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